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CMS Info Systems Limited Investor Presentation 2025

Feb 5, 2025

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CMSINFO/2502/003

February 05, 2025

To BSE Limited Listing Department, 1st Floor, PJ Towers, Dalal Street, Fort, Mumbai – 400 001

Scrip Code: 543441

National Stock Exchange of India Limited Exchange Plaza, C-1, Block-G, Bandra Kurla Complex, Bandra (East), Mumbai – 400 051

Symbol: CMSINFO

Sub: Earnings Call Presentation for the quarter and nine months ended December 31, 2024

Dear Sir/Madam,

Further to our letter no. CMSINFO/2501/006 dated January 30, 2025 and pursuant to regulation 30 of the SEBI (Listing Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) Regulations 2015, please find attached the Presentation on Unaudited Financial Results of the Company for the quarter and nine months ended December 31, 2024 to be discussed at the Earnings Conference Call with the Management team of the Company scheduled to be held on Thursday, February 06, 2025 at 12:00 Noon (IST).

For details on how to join the Call, please refer to the invite issued by us along with the aforesaid letter dated January 30, 2025.

This is for your information and dissemination.

Thanking You,

Yours faithfully,

For CMS Info Systems Limited

DEBASHIS Digitally signed by DEBASHIS DEY DEY Date: 2025.02.05 21:30:14 +05'30' Debashis Dey Company Secretary and Compliance Officer

Encl: a/a

CMS Info Systems Limited |CIN: L45200MH2008PLC180479 | www.cms.com | E: [email protected]

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Earnings Presentation

Q3’FY25

G R O W T H T H R O U G H T R A N S F O R M A T I O N

FY25 Summary

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Year of consolidation following strong outperformance in FY21 – FY24

Market Backdrop

Our Focus

  • Slowdown in consumption

  • Increase market share in cash logistics

  • Delay in PSU order book execution: 30% of last 5 Qtrs. wins (₹ 1,900 Crs) live

  • Increased investments in tech and automation to drive quality, efficiency and margins

  • RBI amended mandate for ATM cassette swap for only outsourced ATMs; 30% completed

  • Building recurring revenue streams

  • Expanding AIoT RMS to retail sector

  • ATM Interchange increase under review by RBI/NPCI

  • Strategic M&A: active pipeline in our identified sectors

  • Large SBI RFP for outsourcing 10k ATMs for Cash Mgmt.

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₹ Crs

FY25 YTD Performance

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Revenue
EBITDA
PAT
₹ Crs
1,306
1,590
1,915
2,265
1,638
1,8
FY21
FY22
FY23
FY24
9M
FY24
9
FY


05
M
25

10
20
30
40
50
60
70
302
402
541
604
446
470
23.1%
25.3%
28.3% 26.7%
27.2%
26.0%
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
FY21
FY22
FY23
FY 24
9M
FY24
9M
FY25
EBITDA
%
0.0%
5.0%
10.0%
15.0%
20.0%
25.0%
30.0%
1
1
0
50
100
150
200
250
300
350
400
F
69
224
297
347
256
275
2.9%
14.1%
15.5%
15.3%
15.6%
15.2%
Y21
FY22
FY23
FY24
9M
FY24
9M
FY25
PAT
%


₹ Crs FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24 FY21–FY24
CAGR
9M FY24 9M FY25 YoY
Revenue 1,306 1,590 1,915 2,265 20% 1,638 1,805 10%
EBITDA 302 402 541 604 26% 446 470 5%
PAT 169 224 297 347 27% 256 275 7%

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₹ Crs

Q3’FY25 : Maintaining strong margins Revenue deferred due to slower order execution

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Revenue

EBITDA

PAT

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Services Prdt. Automation EBITDA EBITDA % PAT PAT %
170 50.0% 100 30.0%
582 581 160 45.0% 95 93
160 6% 7%
25.0%
46 32 151 40.0% 90 87
150 35.0% 85
20.0%
30.0% 80
140
27.5% 25.0% 75 15.0%
16.0%
130 25.9%
536 549 20.0% 70 14.9%
10.0%
120 15.0% 65
10.0% 60
5.0%
110
5.0% 55
100 0.0% 50 0.0%
Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25 Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25 Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25
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FY25 Outlook

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Revenue to be within 1-2% of lower range of guidance

Revenues

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₹ Crs
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  • Slowdown in Consumption

  • Delay in contract roll-out

  • Annual Rev. accrual ₹ 300-350 Crs; Impact of ₹ 150 Crs in FY25

  • FY25 Capex estimated at ₹ 150-200 Crs against guidance of ₹ 300 Crs

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2,500 - 2,700
2,450 - 2,500
2,265
8-10%
FY24 FY25 Estimate FY25 Guidance
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Maintaining capital allocation and strong return profile leading to cash flow generation

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Disciplined capital allocation..

…delivering high RoCEs…

Resulting in strong cash flow generation…

…increasing dividends

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74% 69%
500 75%
250 63%
219 450 61%
208 27.0% 65%
25.4% 23.96
400 440
200 24.3% 24.4% 55%
25.0% 23.4% 350 407 19.76
45%
300
150 23.0% 15.40
116 250 35%
99 21.0% 200 257 11.51 5.75
100 25%
150 4.75
19.0% 185
15%
100
50
17.0% 5%
50 2.45 2.53
0 15.0% 0 -5%
FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24 FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24 FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24 FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24
Capex (₹ Cr) Post-tax Return on Capital Employed OCF (₹ Crore) EPS (₹) DPS (₹)
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  • ₹ 750 Crs + Cash & equivalents (Sep’24), Debt Free, AA+ Rated

  • FY25 interim dividend of ₹ 3.25/- per share

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Cash Logistics Business – 150 BPS Revenue market share gain

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Highest-ever currency handled in Q3 (₹ Tn)

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3.6
6%
3.4
Q3 FY24 Q3 FY25
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Retail Currency
processed/store stable
(₹ Lacs/Month)
Q3'24 Q3'25
45 45
33 33 33 34
Metro Urban SURU
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Continued momentum in touch point addition

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146,000
10%
133,000
Dec 2023 Dec 2024
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  • 15% YoY 9M growth in retail business segment

*on same-store basis

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₹ Crs

Cash Logistics Financial Summary YTD 9% Revenue and 4% EBIT growth

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Revenue EBIT EBIT %
25.3%
1,181 26.4%
9%
4%
1,086
299
287
9M-FY24 9M-FY25 9M-FY24 9M-FY25 9M-FY24 9M-FY25
6%
8% 404 98 103 26.0% 25.6%
375
Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25 Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25 Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25
9M FY25
Q3 FY25
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Managed Services & Technology/ AIoT RMS Business Update

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Sector seeing consolidation trends

  • ATM network of large PSU and Pvt banks affected due to instability at an industry player; transitioning to stronger market players

Breakthrough wins: ₹ 300 Crs wins in Q3; ₹ 700 Crs YTD

  • End to End Managed solutions (fixed price, 7yr) contract at a leading Private sector bank

  • AIoT RMS win at a large quick commerce brand for their dark stores/warehouses

30% of Last 5 Qtrs. wins (₹ 1900 Crs) live; 60% expected by Mar’25

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Managed Services and Tech Business Financial Summary YTD 15% Revenue and 4% EBIT growth

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EBIT
4% 118
114
9M-FY24 9M-FY25
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EBIT* %

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Revenue
4% 118
114
713
15%
621
9M-FY24 9M-FY25 9M-FY24 9M-FY25
233
-10%
41 -9%
210
38
Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25 Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25
9M FY25
Q3 FY25
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18.4%
16.6%
9M-FY24 9M-FY25
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17.6% 17.9%
Q3-FY24 Q3-FY25
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*YTD EBIT margins lower due to higher Banking Automation revenue G R O W T H T H R O U G H T R A N S F O R M A T I O N

Dip in Q3 revenue due to lower Banking Automation revenue

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CMS Business Services Platform

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7 high margin B2B Business lines with ₹ ~100 -1000 Crs revenue

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~
2
5
Revenue Split
%
~84%
16%
~15% subscription
17%
~25% Managed
Services & 25%
Tech
Cash
Solns
Logistics
39%
61%
~60% 42%
Banking Automation
ATM ~85% revenue
AIoT RMS/ Software
Retail route based with
Txn Linked BLA
CIT strong network
effect Managed Solutions
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AIoT RMS/Software

  • SaaS revenue model; 30%+ FY21-24 CAGR

  • ~10% revenue contribution by FY27

Managed Solutions

  • Tech oriented with strong operating leverage

  • • Strong moat given unified ops

Txn. Linked BLA

  • Selective exposure with large banks

  • <10% of overall revenue

Banking Automation

  • Lower margin good ROCE business

  • Creates long-term services revenue

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Medium Term Outlook

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Opportunity to compound Services revenue @ 14 - 17%

  • 100,000 ATMs yet to be O/S

  • • Growth in organised retail; increase in

  • Cash Logistics penetration

  • 10-13% CAGR • Bank branch expansion

  • • Market share gains

  • Interchange increase

  • Mgd. Services & • Total O/S deals ~100k ATMs to shift from

  • Tech Solutions Bank Managed to total O/S model (mix of fixed fee and txns. linked model)

  • ~15%+ CAGR • Market consolidation

  • Only 40% of ~375k Bank ATMs/Branches

  • AIOT RMS + SW using AIoT RMS solution ~15-20% CAGR • Expansion into Retail, EV Charging, QSR sectors

Feb 04, 2025

RBI considering hiking ATM cash transaction, interchange fees

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Retail Opportunity in
India
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30-40 Lacs 5-6 Lacs Oct 22, 2024 ~2 Lacs Total Org. Retail Retail Touch Cash points Industry Points

SBI to outsource 40% onsite ATMs RFP Underway

Feb 01, 2025 SBI wants to keep a close eye on all its branches

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Strong track record of value creation through programmatic M&A Active pipeline in identified sectors

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Proven track record of buying at
attractive multiples with avg. payback
period of <3 years
Proven track record of buying at
attractive multiples with avg. payback
period of <3 years
Proven track record of buying at
attractive multiples with avg. payback
period of <3 years
Sectors of Interest
Year
Acquisition
Service capabilities
added
2012
Cash Logistics
2016
BLA
2021
AIoT RMS
SIPL
Hemabh
Specialized Logistics
Business Services
B2B Digital Payments
Technology / Software
Year Acquisition Service capabilities
added
Specialized Logistics
Business Services
B2B Digital Payments
Technology / Software
2012 SIPL Cash Logistics
2016 BLA
2021 Hemabh AIoT RMS

*Non-exhaustive list

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Capital Market Information (BSE: CMSINFO | 543441, NSE: CMSINFO)

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Share Price Movement (Up to 31 [st] December, 2024)
80.00%
45.00%
10.00%
-25.00%
Jan-24 Feb-24 Mar-24 Apr-24 May-24 Jun-24 Jul-24 Aug-24 Sep-24 Oct-24 Nov-24 Dec-24
CMS BSE Sensex BSE Small Cap
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Share Price Data (As on 31st December, 2024) Share Price Data (As on 31st December, 2024)
Face value (₹) 10.0
Market Price (₹) 491.0
52 Week H/L (₹) 615.9/355.2
Market Cap (₹Mn) 80,695.0
Equity Shares Outstanding (Mn) 164.4
Avg. trading volume (‘000) 1,205.6

Shareholding Pattern (31[st] December, 2024)

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FII 37.95%
Others 35.03%
AIF 5.45%
Mutual Funds
21.57%
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Source: BSE, NSE

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Annexures

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CMS platform expansion driving growth Through depth and breadth of wins

Deepening enterprise engagement

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Managed Services & Tech Solutions
Bank Cash Logistics
Banking ATM-as-
ALGO Software ALGO AIoT Payment Cards
Automation a-Service
#1
#2
Top-5 PSU
#3
Banks
#4
#5
#1
Top-3 Pvt.
#2
Banks
#3
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Gainin wallet share g

Number of Large BFSI Accounts (₹ 100 Cr+ Annual Revenue)

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8
3
FY22 FY24
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Experienced board; Seasoned leadership

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New
Nomination
Sunil Mehta
Former MD & CEO - PNB,
CEO Indian Banks’ Association
Sayali Karanjkar
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Experienced
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Shyamala Gopinath
Former Deputy Governor, RBI
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Tapan Ray
MD & Group CEO of Gift City
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Krzysztof Jamroz
Executive Chairman at Roadrunner
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Rajiv Kaul Executive Vice Chairman, Whole Time Director & CEO

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Sayali Karanjkar
Non-Executive Independent
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30+ years of industry experience

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Strong
Management
With Deep
Industry
Know-How
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Pankaj Khandelwal

President & CFO 27+ years of industry experience

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Puneet Bhirani

President – Operations 26+ years of industry experience

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Anush Raghavan

President – Cash Management 15+ years of industry experience

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Sanjay Singh

Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO) 30+ years

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Manjunath Rao

Advisor – Managed Services 35+ years of industry experience

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Rajeev Bhatia

Chief Information Officer (CIO) 20+ years of industry experience

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Recognised for our financial strength & governance

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The Award was presented by Union minister for Electronics & IT, I & B and Railways, Shri Ashwini Vaishnaw. The FE CFO Awards, now in its 7[th] year, was presented to 14 institutions in recognition of their pioneering work, led by a high-quality jury.

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Quarterly Consolidated Financial Performance

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Particulars (All figures in₹ Mn) Q3’FY25 Q2’FY25 Q-o-Q Q3’FY24 Y-o-Y
Operating Income 5,815 6,245 (6.9)% 5,823 (0.1)%
Expenses 4,221 4,716 (10.5)% 4,315 (2.2)%
Operating EBITDA 1,594 1,530 4.2% 1,508 5.7%
EBITDA Margins (%) 27.41% 24.50% 291 Bps 25.90% 151 Bps
Finance costs 47 52 (9.6)% 39 20.5%
Depreciation and amortisation expense 410 389 5.4% 377 8.8%
Other Income 117 137 (14.6)% 78 50.0%
Profit before tax 1,254 1,225 2.4% 1,170 7.2%
Tax 322 316 1.9% 299 7.7%
Profit After Tax 932 909 2.5% 871 7.0%
PAT Margins (%) 16.03% 14.56% 147 Bps 14.96% 107 Bps
Other Comprehensive income for the year (2) (1) NA (1) NA
Total Comprehensive Income for the year 930 908 2.4% 870 6.9%

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YTD Consolidated Financial Performance

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Particulars (All figures in₹ Mn) 9M-FY25 9M-FY24 Y-o-Y
Operating Income 18,055 16,376 10.3%
Expenses 13,409 11,936 12.3%
Operating EBITDA 4,646 4,440 4.6%
EBITDA Margins (%) 25.73% 27.11% (138) Bps
Finance costs 136 122 11.5%
Depreciation and amortisation expense 1,187 1,105 7.4%
Other Income 369 229 61.1%
Profit before tax 3,692 3,442 7.3%
Tax 943 885 6.6%
Profit After Tax 2,749 2,557 7.5%
PAT Margins (%) 15.23% 15.61% (38) Bps
Other Comprehensive income for the year (5) - NA
Total Comprehensive Income for the year 2,744 2,557 7.3%

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Historical Consolidated Income Statement

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Particulars (All figures in₹ Mn) FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24
Operating Income 13,061 15,897 19,147 22,647
Expenses 10,125 11,900 13,770 16,652
Operating EBITDA 2,936 3,997 5,377 5,995
EBITDA Margins (%) 22.48% 25.14% 28.08% 26.47%
Finance costs 82 144 196 162
Depreciation and amortisation expense 635 918 1,318 1,502
Other Income 158 79 147 340
Profit before tax 2,378 3,014 4,010 4,671
Tax 692 774 1,038 1,199
Profit After Tax 1,685 2,240 2,972 3,471
PAT Margins (%) 12.89% 14.09% 15.52% 15.33%
Other Comprehensive income for the year (1) 4 4 (13)
Total Comprehensive Income for the year 1,684 2,244 2,976 3,459

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Historical Consolidated Balance Sheet

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(All figures in₹ Mn) FY22 FY23 FY24 H1”FY25
Assets
Non-current assets
Property, plant and
equipment
3,470 4,697 4,677 4,407
Capital work-in-progress 436 203 147 706
Right-of-use assets 1,800 1,826 1,558 1,603
Goodwill 2,061 2,061 2,061 2,060
Other Intangible assets 173 109 64 58
Intangible assets under
development
1 0 34 73
Financial assets
Investments 0 338 600 493
Other financial assets 331 319 481 454
Deferred tax assets (net) 304 369 390 432
Income tax assets (net) 226 196 206 21
Other non-current assets 210 112 187 164
Total of Non-current assets 9,012 10,230 10,404 10,477
Current assets
Inventories 635 742 1,269 819
Financial assets
Investments 1,235 2,455 4,251 4,017
Trade receivables 4,993 5,260 7,197 9,901
Cash and cash
equivalents
643 963 1,590 870
Bank balances other than
above
774 599 1,080 1,567
Other financial assets 276 30 99 90
Other current assets 989 733 696 876
Total of Current assets 9,545 10,782 16,181 18,143
Total Assets 18,557 21,012 26,585 28,620
(All figures in₹ Mn) FY22 FY23 FY24 H1’FY25
Equityshare capital 1,531 1,544 1,628 1,631
Other equity 11,030 14,081 17,840 19,389
Total equity attributable to
equity holders
12,561 15,625 19,468 21,021
Liabilities
Non-current liabilities
Financial liabilities
Lease liabilities 1,468 1,528 1,281 1,311
Provisions 201 211 239 258
Other Liabilities 9 6 82 62
Total of Non-current
liabilities
1,678 1,745 1,602 1,632
Current liabilities
Financial liabilities
Lease liabilities 461 505 527 551
Trade Payables
Dues of micro enterprises
and small enterprises
80 52 65 57
Dues of creditors other
than micro enterprises
and small enterprises
2,379 2,200 3,965 4,047
Other financial liabilities 1,066 597 597 749
Provisions 36 32 35 39
Other current liabilities 296 255 326 522
Total of Current liabilities 4,318 3,642 5,516 5,967
Total Liabilities 5,996 5,388 7,118 7600
Total Equity & Liabilities 18,557 21,012 26,585 28,620

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Historical Consolidated Cash Flow Statement

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(All figures in₹ Mn) FY22 FY23 FY24 (All figures in₹ Mn) FY22 FY23 FY24
Cash flow from operating activities:
Cash flow from investing activities
Profit before tax 3,014 4,010 4,671
Proceeds from sale of property, plant and
equipment
7 20 23
Adjustments to reconcile profit before tax to net cash flow:
Depreciation and amortisation on Property, plant and equipment
and Intangible asset
581 899 1,070
Purchase of property, plant and equipment,
Intangible assets (including CWIP and capital
advances)
(2,840) (1,933) (1,084)
Depreciation on Right-of-use assets 338 419 474
Unrealised foreign exchange(gain) /loss (1) (1) 0
Investment in mutual funds (8,304) (11,578) (15,408)
Lease rent concession (2) (3) (10)
Proceeds from redemption of mutual funds 8,217 10,400 13,506
Bad and doubtfuldebts and bad debts writtenoff 799 985 907
Debit balance written off 21 - - Loangiven to Others (144) - -
(Profit)on disposal ofproperty, plant and equipment(net) (5) (11) (12) Investment in deposits with banks (844) (1,071) (1,568)
Sundrybalances written back (8) (20) (10) Proceeds from maturity of deposits with banks
(including interest)
646 937 1,281
Impairment for doubtful claims receivables 8 4 0
Bad debts written back - - (12)
Net cash flow (used in) / from investing
activities
(3,262) (3,226) (3,251)
Insurance claims receivables written off 14 12 17
Finance income (33) (70) (137)
Profit on sale of current investments (20) (30) (92)
Cash flows from financing activities
Net change in fair value of current investments measured at
FVTPL
(4) (12) (64)
Proceeds from Issue of EquityShares 637 157 1,154
Employee stock option compensation cost 61 93 366 Dividendpaid (226) (154) (1,135)
Finance costs 144 196 162 Finance costs on lease liability (144) (184) (162)
Operating profit before working capital changes 4,907 6,471 7,329 Payment of principal portion of lease liabilities (262) (341) (378)
Movement in working capital
Increase/ (Decrease)in tradepayables and other liabilities (421) (824) 1,949 Net cash flow(used in) financing activities 5 (522) (521)
Increase/ (Decrease)inprovisions 21 12 15
(Increase)in inventories 265 (107) (527)
Net (decrease) / increase in cash and cash
equivalents
(692) 320 627
(Increase)in trade receivables (724) (1,252) (2,844)
(Increase) /Decrease in other assets andprepayments (507) 853 (296) Cash and cash equivalents at the beginning of
theyear
1,335 643 963
Cash flowgenerated from operations 3,541 5,153 5,626
Direct taxespaid(net of refunds) (976) (1,085) (1,228) Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the
year
643 963 1,590
Net cash flow from operating activities 2,565 4,068 4,399

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Safe Harbour Statement

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